Gog Magog: 5 Minutes to Armageddon | Ep 1: Who is Israel?
The difference between Biblical Israel and the State of Israel, why we believe the regathering of Israel as described in the Bible has not yet occurred, and how all of this impacts our understanding of Ezekiel’s Gog Magog prophecy.
Also included in this first episode of our “Gog Magog: 5 Minutes to Armageddon” series:
Have Christians replaced Israel? (Replacement Theology discussion),
Lost tribes of Israel, and
Why the “nation born in one day” prophecy is about believers in YASHUA (JESUS), not the State of Israel.
Thanks for watching, and hope you enjoy.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
1:45 Who is Gog?
8:10 People brought back from the sword
11:41 Quiet people dwelling securely
19:04 Before we continue…
22:21 Who is Israel?
26:40 Yes, there are Lost Tribes of Israel
30:36 How the Bible Describes Israel’s Regathering
35:38 Abomination of Desolation
37:08 Countering a False Argument: Nation Born in One Day
40:53 Christian Heirs of Abraham (Discussion on “Replacement Theology”)
48:24 Countering Another False Argument: Brought Back in Unbelief
50:42 What does this have to do with Gog Magog?
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Transcript:
Dawson: In the Book of Ezekiel, the prophet wrote about an end times battle that will come to pass between Gog and Israel. Ezekiel’s description of this battle is one of the most debated topics in the Scriptures.
Who exactly is involved in Gog Magog and when does the battle take place?
Some think it happens before the tribulation. Others believe Gog Magog is the same thing as Armageddon, and others teach that Ezekiel was talking about a battle at the end of Millennium.
Our view is that Gog Magog happens just before Armageddon and that it’s one of the last events to occur before Yashua’s return. As for the who of Gog Magog, while many argue about who is in the army, our focus is on the group of people who the army comes to attack.
In our view, the battle is only in part about those living in the state of Israel today. The main focus of the battle will be against the lost tribes of Israel who will be gathered to the outskirts of the land in the end of days. There, they will be protected by God our Father until Yashua returns. Gog Magog, to us, is the culmination of the Second Exodus.
In this series of videos, we’re going to study the who, what, where, when, and why of Gog Magog. Starting with who is Gog and who is Israel? We’ll start off by reading what the prophet Ezekiel wrote about the things to come.
The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, set your face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him.”
So who is Gog?
Carlos: Well, we have Gog, the leader of Gog in Magog, which is obviously a principality.
Dawson: Why do you say that?
Carlos: Because he’s going to be soon to be divulged himself, leading armies against Israel, and he’s brought back again at the end of what they call Millennium.
Dawson: Yes.
Carlos: There’s also, Reuben had a son named Gog.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: But don’t connect that with being Gog because Gog is a principality, not a man.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen?
Dawson: Amen. Now it says, he is the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. And that phrase chief prince in Hebrew, it’s nesi rosh. So a lot of people read that and they see the word rosh, and they assume that this is talking about Russia.
Carlos: Rosh?
Dawson: It means head.
Carlos: Hashanah?
Dawson: Yeah, it means head in Hebrew.
Carlos: Amen. It means the head. I happen to have been able to read, write and speak Russian, and I love history. Those who love history, most of our audience is male, and they love history. You’ll know when I tell you that the Rus, Viking, came down, and that was the Land of Rus from the Vikings. And it does not mean the same as what it means in Hebrew. It doesn’t mean head, just Rus, descendants of Rus, they set it up.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: And the Russians today took that name from the Rus, because for a thousand years, it was the only close thing to civilization that they had. So they identify with Rus.
Dawson: Okay. So nothing to do with Gog Magog.
Carlos: Nothing to do with the Gog Magog. Rus– and again, as I said, most of our audience is male, and I know you look at history, you’ll see, it’ll be plain to see. Okay?
Dawson: Okay.
Carlos: (In Russian: my love to the Russians). We love all the Russians. Amen?
Dawson: Yes, all peoples and all nations.
Carlos: So what are some of the players in…
Dawson: So if we keep reading, and Ezekiel is going to give us a list, it says, “and say, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal.” So both of those are sons of Japheth, who are sons of Noah.
“And I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armor, a great host, all of them with buckler and shield, wielding swords.
Persia, Cush and Put are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; Gomer and all his hordes; Beth- togarmah from the uttermost parts of the north with all his hordes– many peoples are with you.”
Persia’s modern day Iran – it’s the same land. Cush and Put are both sons of Ham.
Carlos: Northern Africa.
Dawson: And Gomer and Togarmah are also sons of Japheth, like Meshech and Tubal.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: So what we have here is mostly the sons of Japheth with a few sons of Ham.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: Now, some people– I bring that up, it’s not the most interesting thing to a lot of people, but I bring it up because a lot of people will say that this list is representative of all the nations of the earth and that this battle is a picture of Armageddon, where all the nations gather against Jerusalem. But that’s not the case.
Carlos: I’ve also heard that it’s basically the Muslim nations.
Dawson: Yes, we hear that a lot.
Carlos: Okay. This is going to be– this is an army that’s being gathered satanically.
Dawson: Yes, that’s a good way to put it.
Carlos: I assure you, it’s not just Muslim nations. We have– everyone has their own opinion. My opinion goes all through the Mediterranean, all the way down through South America.
Dawson: Really?
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: Interesting.
Carlos: Yeah, and I have my teaching on that. It’s not just blank.
Dawson: Okay.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: Continuing in Ezekiel, he says to Gog, “Be ready, and keep ready, you and all your hosts that are assembled about you, and be a guard for them.”
Carlos: It says, be a guard unto them?
Dawson: Mm-hmm.
Carlos: In Hebrew, that’s quite a different word than in English. Now, if you’re going to be a guard unto somebody, you’re a shamar. In Hebrew, when he tells you, “Guard yourself carefully against something” he calls, “Shamar, shamar.” Double the word. Shamar, shamar, against, you know, let’s say false teaching.
Now, that’s not the word that’s written in the Hebrew. The word for guard in Hebrew is mishmar. Mishmar, it means more like a, he won’t let you go.
Dawson: Like a prison guard.
Carlos: More like a satanic hold on these people. Be a mishmar. They’re not allowed to go. These people are taken by demonic power and marched down to attack Israel under satanic power.
Dawson: Right.
Carlos: A mishmar. It’s not just people. There’s a hook in these people. Father’s bringing them, and He gave them a mishmar. Not a good leader.
Dawson: Yeah. So, most often when you see the word mishmar in the scriptures, it does have a very negative connotation to it, like Carlos is saying.
Carlos: Like if you go to prison, you’d have a mishmar would be in charge.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: You would need to have some sort of satanic hold over these peoples because the end result of him coming against Israel is, it’s right here in the book of Ezekiel that he could read right now. It’s not going to go so well.
Carlos: It’s not going to go good at all.
Dawson: Yeah. “and be a guard for them. After many days, you will be mustered. In the latter years, you will go against the land that is restored from war.”
Now, right there, I want to stop because that’s not actually how it reads in Hebrew.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: It’s not talking about a land that’s restored from war, but Gog is coming against the land of a people who were brought back from the sword.
Carlos: Now, that would be Israel, Northern Israel, taken by the sword.
Dawson: The 10 tribes of Israel, the lost tribes.
Carlos: The lost tribes. And we already know that Judah was taken by the sword through Rome, the iron beast.
Dawson: Yeah. The ones who were left because when the 10 tribes were taken, a lot of Judah was taken at the same time as well.
Carlos: Amen. Most of Judah.
Dawson: Yeah. If you look at the numbers, we talked about this before, but if you look at the numbers, they’re kind of astonishing. When King David, he did a census of all the– he wasn’t supposed to, but he was counting the fighting men in all of the tribes of Israel. And it’s over a million fighting men. So not including grandparents, sons, daughters, and all of that.
Carlos: Now, fighting men had to have a son.
Dawson: Right.
Carlos: Okay. So there was more men that didn’t have a son yet, that’s quite a bit of people.
Dawson: So over a million people. And then the Assyrian came and took the 10 tribes because they sinned, they worshipped false gods and Father wanted them off of His land. And a lot of Judah got taken with them to the point where by the time the Babylonians came in, there was only, there was less than 5,000 people of the house of Judah left.
Carlos: Made small in number, just like the prophecy.
Dawson: Yeah. So the majority of all Israel, of all the tribes of Israel had been scattered to the four corners of the earth.
Carlos: Amen. Now, when they came back from Babylon, something to note, those who were studying about the 10 tribes, no 10 tribes came back from Babylon with them. Because they said the 10 tribes are assimilated by Judah. They all had the lineage of Judah. No tribes came back.
Dawson: Of the House of Judah.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: Which includes the tribe of Judah, the tribe of Benjamin and the tribe of Levi. So those three tribes.
Carlos: And Simeon.
Dawson: Simeon is debatable. So he was prophesied to be kind of swallowed up into the House of Judah. But I have a reason to believe that when Father regathers the lost tribes, that Simeon is going to be regathered at that time as well, which we’ll talk about.
Carlos: Because no tribes of Simeon came back from…
Dawson: No, not listed.
Carlos: It doesn’t say from the House of Simeon, it just says of Judah.
Dawson: Right. That’s correct.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: So, “In the latter years you will go against a land of those brought back from the sword, the land whose people were gathered from many peoples upon the mountains of Israel, which had been a continual waste. Its people were brought out from the peoples and now dwell securely, all of them.
You will advance coming on like a storm. You will be like a cloud covering the land, you and all your hordes and many peoples with you. Thus says the Lord God: On that day, thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme and say, ‘I will go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will fall upon the quiet people who dwell securely.”
Carlos: Okay. That’s right away, that’s something to think about right there. It’s what part of Israel dwells securely today?
Dawson: In unwalled villages.
Carlos: Amen. Without…
Dawson: The answer is…
Carlos: None.
Dawson: None. Yeah.
Carlos: Amen. So he’s talking about different peoples here.
Dawson: “all of them dwelling without walls and having no bars or gates to seize spoil and carry off plunder, to turn your hand against the waste places that are now inhabited, and the people who were gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and goods, who dwell at the center of the earth.”
Carlos: Amen. Now the key point. Waste places that are now inhabited. These waste places are not built. They’re not built up like these nice homes that you see in Israel today.
Dawson: Yeah. It’s…
Carlos: These are waste places just like nowhere.
Dawson: A lot of people, they read this and they think, okay, he’s talking about places that used to be waste, wastelands, and now they’re full of ritzy condominiums. But that’s not what it’s saying. It’s saying these people are living among the ruins.
Carlos: Amen. And they’re dwelling safely with no walls…
Dawson: Exactly.
Carlos: …no guards, no army protecting them, and not a care in the world.
Dawson: Okay. So one of the words that is used to describe these people is the quiet people. And the Hebrew word for quiet is shaqat. And it’s a word that you will find used many times in the books of Joshua and Judges and Chronicles. And shaqat is used to describe the land at a time that it’s at rest from war. The root word for securely, these people are dwelling securely is batach, which means to trust.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: It’s a picture of being like completely enclosed. We batach, we trust the Lord because he’s got us surrounded in a good way. So these people that Gog has a thought to come and attack, they are at rest and they are secure, like literally secure. Because a lot of people say that it’s “false security.”
Carlos: No, they’re literally secure.
Dawson: “They think they’re safe,” but no, these people are at rest and they are dwelling safely.
Carlos: And these people have been taken away from the sword. Because there’s war all over the world, but not among these people. They’re dwelling safely and at peace.
Dawson: Right. And it’s…
Carlos: With food, water, provision, everything.
Dawson: Yes, they have livestock and goods. And it says that they dwell in the center of the earth. Now, this is an interesting phrase in Hebrew. It’s tabur haaretz. Ha means the, aretz means land. And the word tabur, you only find that word twice in the Bible. Once here and in the other place that it’s used, it talks about, in the book of Judges, people descending from the tabur haaretz. So it’s a place of high elevation.
So now we’re getting a better picture of where this is taking place. And as you’ll see very shortly, it’s going to be in the mountains.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: So when you read center of the earth, don’t think center of the earth, think tabur haaretz, at a high place of the land.
Carlos: Amen. When you read in Hebrew, quite different.
Dawson: Yeah. And it’s sometimes it’s just subtle differences, but it…
Carlos: This is major. This one’s major.
Dawson: It will become major, yeah. Yeah.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: So no walls, no bars, no gates, secure at rest from war.
Carlos: It doesn’t say an army guarding them. It has no one watching them.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: They’re at peace and laying careless.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: That’s the word.
Dawson: Another thing that people think when they read this is, well, this is talking about the people who are living in the land of Israel right now. And they’re safe because they’ve got this, this huge army and a huge arsenal and great defense and all of that. But realistically, part of the reason that, that they– if they’re not worried about war, it’s because they’re spending a lot of time in bomb shelters.
Carlos: Yeah.
Dawson: That’s not, that’s not what Father’s talking about here.
Carlos: That’s not what talking, no.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: No, no, no.
Dawson: That’s not a good way to be at rest and dwelling securely.
Carlos: Right now though, I believe there’s so many missiles fired upon them. You have a hard time keeping up. We used to have an app where it tells you every time a missile is fired at Israel.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: It’s wow. I had to turn it off because there was absolutely no peace from the enemy, their enemies attacking.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: So the question is, if we’re saying that this people that Ezekiel was talking about in this prophecy is not the people who are living in the state of Israel right now, who’s he talking about?
Carlos: Well, he’s talking about those people that – watch, many of Judah were taken by the sword. Like we said, there’s only 5,000 left of Judah, by the time the Babylonian came, there wasn’t much, much except cleaning up with a dustpan. There was nothing left.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: I believe these are the lost tribes, including Judah and the tribes, all of the tribes, not just one, not just Judah, all the tribes of Israel will be coming back and living at peace in, what you call the wilderness of the mountains.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen?
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: And they have food at a time where there’s a severe scarcity.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: You know, they have water at a time where water is getting poisoned. You know, if you read it.
Dawson: Our view on when this takes place at the very, very, very end of the last seven years of the age.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: So that’s why he says there’s going to be a time of scarcity for everybody on the planet.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: Yet you’ve got this group of people Father is…
Carlos: There ain’t no water and there’s no rain and so everyone’s– everyone’s saving water.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen. But these people have everything. How– who are these people? They have a blessing upon them. To put it mildly, I think this is the woman with the 12 stars that goes into the wilderness and is fed and nourished for a times, times and a half of times.
Dawson: Yes, absolutely.
Carlos: That’s what we believe in. We’re going to show you through scriptures that that’s what it is.
Dawson: That’s what it is.
Carlos: We don’t, we don’t just believe in… you’re going to see, as we give you the scriptures and the study, that’s, that’s exactly who they are.
Dawson: Yup.
Carlos: Amen? Now, before we continue, there’s a lot of anti-Israel now. And I want to let you know that as we teach here, it’s a lot of teaching. Somewhere back here (at the end of the teaching), there’s a battle in Israel where the descendants of David are going to fight against the Antichrist and the hordes. Amen? And because he’s going to reestablish the House of David.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: And I’m going to go, I’m going to ask Father, can I please go to that battle and help them out?
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: I want the front lines. I will be there for Israel. And I want, I want David to know who’s going to be raised up unto us, that I fought for his descendants.
Dawson: Amen.
Carlos: And I’m going to apply for a chair as a gibor among his mighty men.
Dawson: I think you deserve it.
Carlos: I’m ready. I’m excited. And yes. So are we anti-Israel? No. What– are we mad at what some of them are doing? Yeah. Maybe, maybe we don’t like it so much, but you’re going to have to let the angels do the punishment because you may hurt a righteous one among them. Amen? So, there was a time when I deserved the punishment they get, because I mean, I…
Dawson: Yes. Same here.
Carlos: Let’s face it, we were all there. But the Holy Spirit found me and here I am. Now, as far as Israel, don’t get into a fight against them. Instead, know that if there’s anything evil being done, Father says he will raise men to bring, to bring any evil down.
But as for us, we’re not to get involved because we have strict instructions. Let the angels separate them at the time of the harvest, we’re not to get involved. Least we hurt, least we hurt a righteous one that’s among them. Amen?
Dawson: Yeah. And it could be someone who is very unrighteous right now, but Father sees the future. So down the line, they could turn into a Paul. I mean, Paul was going around trying to get Christians killed.
Carlos: Amen. And he wants them to, he wants plenty to survive, even though they’re evil, you know, right now. As a nation, most of them are doing evil right now, but he wants them to be around when Yashua comes so they could finally realize, “Okay, that’s our Savior. That’s the one that we’ve been, we’ve been fighting, but we found out now that he is God and our Savior.” And they open their eyes, their eyes are open.
Dawson: Right.
Carlos: So even up to the end, don’t get involved because the angels keep them there just for that day. So that Father could save them and He says, “Those whom I reserved.”
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen. They’re reserved even up to the last day when Yashua comes and they finally look up and there He is. So let the angels reserve them who’s ever there in the land of Israel.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: We’re not to get involved.
Dawson: Yeah.
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Carlos: So who was Israel then?
Dawson: Okay. And we got to do a little bit of history in order to explain that. So Jacob is the original Israel, the man Jacob. So Abraham had Isaac and Isaac had Jacob and Father changed Jacob’s name to Israel. And Jacob had 12 sons.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: And all the 12 sons of Jacob inherited the land. And at the time of King David, they were united as one nation, as one people. But after David, because of idolatry, Father split them up into two houses. One house is called the House of Judah. And the other house is called the House of Israel.
The house of Judah is the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi. And debatably – I don’t know if that’s a word: debatably –
Carlos: Possibly.
Dawson: Possibly Simeon. But here’s the issue that I have with that. When Father split them up, he gave 10 tribes to Jeroboam. So when the House of Israel went their way and they left Jerusalem and they ended up making Samaria their capital, their King was Jeroboam.
So in the South, you had the House of Judah that was run by Solomon’s son, Rehoboam. And in the North, you have King Jeroboam. Jeroboam’s got 10 tribes. So if he’s got 10, and we know that the house of Judah includes Judah, Levi, and Benjamin, because those are the ones that came back with Ezra from Babylon…
Carlos: Ends up north.
Dawson: I would think that prophetically at least that Simeon’s part of the 10 tribes. That’s my thought.
Carlos: That sounds great to me, but again, your salvation is not based on this.
Dawson: For your consideration.
Carlos: For your consideration.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: So Father split them up in the early, or in the late days of Solomon. And this whole concept of having two separate houses is very important.
Carlos: Extreme.
Dawson: Yeah, because– and it has to do with who’s in the land today. Because we don’t have both houses in the land today, but you do have people from the House of Judah. Now, most people teach that in 1948, when the house of Judah came to the land and they established Israel, the state of Israel as a country, that that is the fulfillment of all the biblical prophecies about the return of Israel.
But it’s not. And we’ll show you that it’s not because the Bible describes how that regathering is going to happen and what’s going to happen at the return. So you can see, just looking at, at modern day Israel and looking at what happened in 1948, compare it with the scriptures. And it doesn’t match.
Carlos: It doesn’t match.
Dawson: Which means there’s something coming in the future where He’s going to gather the Israel that is still scattered among all of the nations. And He’s going to bring them to the ruins, the mountains of Israel. And eventually that group is going to be, you know, Gog’s going to come and try to attack them and he’s not going to succeed.
Carlos: Amen. So Israel who’s there now, it’s House of Judah…
Dawson: House of Judah.
Carlos: … at the most. And they’re going to be dealing with wars and desolations all the way until the very day of the Lord.
Dawson: Yeah. And that’s prophesied through Daniel.
Carlos: That’s prophesied. So there’s no peace there. So we’re dealing with a people that’s coming back peaceful.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen. Kept, in other words, kept from the sword.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen?
Dawson: There’s a couple of things I want to clear up while we’re talking about this, because a lot of people have questions about who is Israel and who’s in the land now and all of that stuff.
Carlos: We’re prepared for a lot of questions.
Dawson: Yes. And hopefully we’ll answer most of them here. And if you guys still have questions, leave a comment and we try to answer all comments.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: But one very, very common teaching is that there is no such thing as lost tribes. Meaning there’s no such thing as this House of Israel. It’s all part of the house of Judah. But as we mentioned earlier, when they came back from Babylon, it tells you in the book of Ezra what tribes there were. And it was just those three tribes of the House of Judah.
But not only that, I want to read this to you also from the book of Ezekiel. Because for anyone to teach that there’s no such thing as lost tribes is ignoring Father himself, calling His own sheep lost.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: So I want to read this to you guys. This is from Ezekiel 34. He says, “For thus says the Lord God: Behold, I, I myself will search for My sheep and will seek them out. As a shepherd seeks out his flock when he is among his sheep that have been scattered. So will I seek out my sheep and I will rescue them from all places where they have been scattered.”
He says, “I will seek the lost.” And He says, “They shall know that I am the Lord their God with them, and that they, the house of Israel, are my people, declares the Lord God.”
Carlos: Amen. He says the House of Israel. He means the House of Israel, not just Judah.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen?
Dawson: This chapter of Ezekiel and the things that we’ve been talking about, they’re not the only indications that there are two houses. There are many, many prophecies that speak of the two houses of Israel as being completely separate.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: So I’ll put a list of those on screen if you guys want to go and take a look at each of them. But the bottom line on that issue is if Father calls them lost, then who are we to say that they are not lost?
And I want to give like an analogy. And this is something that came to my mind as I was putting all of this information together for everybody about what has happened among believers and Christian teachers and biblical scholars since 1948.
It’s kind of like this. You have a father and this father lives in a town and he’s got 12 sons and there’s three of those sons that all hang out together. And something happens, these sons all kind of go bad and they all end up getting themselves sold into slavery.
And so the sons, eventually three of the sons, they end up coming back and everyone in the town like throws a crazy party, happy party. They’re celebrating. They’re like, yay! All of the children of this father that have returned.
Carlos: They come back.
Dawson: They’ve come back. But the father knows those are three of my sons. I still have other sons. I’m still sending out search parties while you guys are celebrating. So it’s a little, it’s a little odd.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: I think we need to see things from his eyes.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: You know, He remembers, He remembers. He tells you over and over again, He will not forget Ephraim, which is another name for the House of Israel, the lost tribes.
Carlos: Amen. Yeah, many times He says He will get the House of Ephraim or Israel and the House of Judah. He says there are two sticks and He will turn them back into one.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: That’s what he does. He restores, He restores the land.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen?
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Dawson: The Bible describes the regathering of Israel and by its description, we can tell that it’s something that hasn’t happened yet, but it is something that is coming soon.
Carlos: Yeah, Micah 7:15 tells us that regarding, regarding this, it will be miracles, just like at the First Exodus. “According to the days of like coming out of the land of Egypt, I will show unto Israel marvelous things.” It’s going to be like the First Exodus.
Dawson: Yeah, so think marvelous things like the parting– miraculous things, the parting of the Red Sea, manna from heaven.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: The Father’s destruction of this great army of Egypt.
Carlos: Basically, He’s going to give us provision. He takes us to wilderness where He feeds us, nourishes us, protects us.
Dawson: Right.
Carlos: Amen?
Dawson: That’s in Revelation and actually in Ezekiel 20, it talks about the wilderness as well, which is a key description of this regathering. In Ezekiel, he says that, that Father is going to take anyone who is from a tribe of Israel out of whatever countries they live in now and take them into the wilderness.
And it says that when they get to the wilderness, Father is going to purge them. And anyone who is a rebel among them is not going to be allowed to enter into the Land of Israel. And when the people actually enter into the land of Israel, they’re going to be the ones to remove all of the abominations and the idols from it.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: So, for as long– right now, there are idols in the land of Israel. There are who Father considers rebels in the land of Israel, the people that do not listen to His way. And by that, we know that this regathering has not happened.
Carlos: It hasn’t happened yet. And then again, we remind you, let the angels do the separation. Don’t get involved in any judgment against Israel. Let the angels do it. I remind you, even to the last day, He wants them saved. And the very last day they look up and it’s Yeshua reveals himself to them. That’s at the end, at the end.
Dawson: At the very, very end.
Carlos: At the end of the end. So stay out of it. Let the angels do the judging.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen?
Dawson: Yeah. And we, I pray that they don’t wait that long because that’s the hard way to go.
Carlos: It’s the hard way to go, but if that’s what it takes.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: He’s determined.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: He’s determined to save some. There’s always a remnant.
Dawson: Yeah. One more sign of the regathering of Israel is in Jeremiah. And Jeremiah says, “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, “‘the Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; But the Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north and from all the lands whither he had driven them.”
So people are still talking about that event, as the Exodus from Egypt event as the greatest, most miraculous thing of all time.
Carlos: It’s going to be a bigger one.
Dawson: There’s a bigger one coming.
Carlos: Bigger one. It brings us back to the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. It didn’t come with great signs and wonders. It came sneaky. All of a sudden, what? there’s Israel? And believers around the world celebrated that, which we celebrate as well, because from among them, some are going to repent.
Dawson: Right.
Carlos: Amen? Certainly not the Israel that he’s talking about when Gog Magog occurs.
Dawson: Right, which we’ll get into that a little bit more.
Carlos: We’ll get into that in a while.
Dawson: So just to recap, we know the regathering has not happened because we don’t have all 12 tribes of Israel in the land. There has been no purge of the rebels. Rebels entered the land of Israel in 1948, and today there’s still people there who don’t follow his ways. People are still talking about the first exodus, and abominations have not been removed from the land. Now, that’s an important point because the ultimate abomination is still coming.
Carlos: Still coming.
Dawson: Right before tribulation. So the abomination of desolation is what kicks off the tribulation at the end of days.
Carlos: It triggers it.
Dawson: And that’s in the land.
Carlos: Amen. Now, a lot of people say AI is going to be the statue that talks and speaks, but no one’s impressed with AI that much. It’s just computer chips.
Dawson: Even if they come out with a very amazing robot, that’s not what Father is talking about.
Carlos: It’s just technology. Children of Father, we’re talking about a prophet rising up, a false prophet with satanic powers. Beyond what they call supernatural, what people call magic, just flat out magic, and he can make a rock actually come to life. He can make the rock come to life and make a rock actually talk.
Dawson: Right.
Carlos: Amen? And that’s why people go into wonder of the beast. “Look, he has power to make an actual rock come to life, not through AI, not through chips and electronics, just bringing life into a rock.” It’s given unto the false prophet to do these signs to misguide people. Amen. Straight demonic power, no computer, no AI needed.
Dawson: Right.
Carlos: Amen?
Dawson: But it won’t deceive us. Yashua says it would deceive the elect if it were even possible, but it’s not possible.
Carlos: It’s not possible.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: No, not impressed.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen.
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Carlos: Okay, now we’re going to go into this notion among the world. A lot of people think that Israel was already created in one day, so we feel that’s not true, so countering a false argument, we believe, of a nation born in one day.
Dawson: Right.
Carlos: You’d like to present it?
Dawson: Yes. So the teaching out there is that the 1948 creation of the state of Israel, it was the fulfillment of a prophecy in Isaiah where he talks about the nation born in one day. But again, you have to look at things from Father’s eyes. And does Father consider a person or a nation or anything as having life if they don’t have Yashua? And the answer is no, He doesn’t.
They have not been born, so you can’t attribute that prophecy to them. We’re going to look at Isaiah 66, and I’ll tell you what it actually means. Isaiah wrote, talking about Zion, “Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.”
Now, this man child in this prophecy, it’s not talking about the state of Israel. It’s talking about Yashua, who was raised to life from a grave in Zion.
Isaiah says, “Who hath heard such a thing? Who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.”
Now again, people take this prophecy and they apply it to the state of Israel.
Carlos: 1948. Amen.
Dawson: Yeah, but it’s actually, if you’re a child of God, if you’re one of Father’s children, and you believe in Yashua and you walk in His ways, like don’t– I don’t know if this is the right way to put it, but don’t let anyone take this prophecy from you, because this is about you. It says, “Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once?”
Yashua’s the man child who was raised from the grave in Zion. And when He resurrected, He says, “Because I live, you will live.” And in one day, because of what He did, you were born. You become part of the house of God. You are Father’s children now.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: So this was a… it’s a prophecy about Yashua and about Yashua’s work. It’s not about…
Carlos: Amen. The words that he brought forth. Everyone who’s in Yashua is a part of his nation.
Dawson: Yes, now some of those people in Yashua, they’re from the House of Judah. Some are from the House of Israel. Some of you guys are from the House of Israel and you don’t even know it.
Carlos: Amen, but you’ll know soon when the 144,000 come.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: They’ll let you know what tribe you’re from.
Dawson: Yeah, and there are others that are part of the nation. So His people, Father’s children, the ones who were born in one day as part of this miracle that Isaiah prophesied, it includes people from all around the world.
Carlos: Every country. They got Russians, Polish, Japanese, North Koreans, Chinese, every type.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: Which is another point that we wanted to go over because there are some people who teach or who have heard or who believe that it’s the Christians who are Israel now. So all the prophecies…
Carlos: Oh no.
Dawson: Yeah, all the prophecies that talk about Israel are actually talking about the Christians.
Carlos: Father’s children, those of you from the 10 tribes that are lost, you are natural olive trees. And when Yashua finds you, you’re like dead wood and you’re grafted back in to Yashua, the actual tree of olive tree.
And those of you who are from different nations, you’re the wild branches and you are taken and grafted and you become part of Israel and part of the family of Israel by being grafted in Yeshua. So even wild branches are grafted in as well as the natural branches that teaches us.
Dawson: Right.
Carlos: And I’m sure you’ve gone over that teaching.
Dawson: Yeah. So when you’re looking at prophecies about Israel, you have to look at it in context because sometimes he is talking about what Paul refers to as the Commonwealth of Israel, which includes people from all nations, it doesn’t matter where you’re from as long as you’re with Yashua.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: But there are definitely some prophecies that are talking about the physical descendants of Jacob and how Father’s going to deal with them at the end of days. If you’re with Yashua and you walk in His ways, you don’t need to be purged.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: We’re talking about a group of people who Father calls Israel, who He’s going to take out and He’s going to purge because they need it because there are rebels among them.
Carlos: Amen. He purges out the rebels. Now, some of you out there, the Holy Spirit’s dealt with you and you know what tribe you’re from.
Dawson: Right.
Carlos: And we’re tribe of Zebulun, but we have also tribe of Gad with us.
Dawson: Manasseh.
Carlos: And Manasseh.
Dawson: Naphtali.
Carlos: Amen. Naphtali and Judah.
Dawson: Yes, and Judah.
Carlos: And Judah as well among us. We’ve been ministering for 20… I forgot, 23, 24 years?
Dawson: Gosh, since 2001.
Carlos: Amen, since 2001.
Dawson: Well, actually earlier for you, but 2001 I came around.
Carlos: 1999 for me.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen, so it’s, yes, a lot of people along the way, a lot of miracles, signs, wonders, healings, prophecies. And some of them know who they are now. That knowledge will fall more and more upon the earth as we enter into the time of tribulation.
Dawson: Right.
Carlos: Amen?
Dawson: So just to kind of recap that point because it’s– people argue about this all the time and it’s becoming a bigger and bigger topic recently.
Carlos: Amen. Let me give you a sign of who these people are. Number one, they don’t want to kick Judah or the people who are in the land of Israel, off the land. They’re waiting for Father to guide them into the wilderness, purge them of anything that’s got to be purged, wait upon Him. And they moved into the land after all the judgments have come on the earth.
Dawson: In Millennium.
Carlos: In Millennium. Amen.
Dawson: It’s basically when that’s going to happen, yeah.
Carlos: Amen. And not until then.
Dawson: Right.
Carlos: Amen, because we go back peaceful and we can’t go back now because if we go back now, wars and desolations are determined by Father.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen? And it’s because of what our descendants done.
Dawson: Our ancestors.
Carlos: Amen. I mean, our ancestors.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: And our descendants will not do.
Dawson: Better not.
Carlos: Better not.
Dawson: Yeah. It is prophesied, just like the regathering of Israel is prophesied. It’s also prophesied that the House of Judah would be in the land at the end of days. So we do see that throughout the Bible as well.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: Yeah, but that is separate from the regathering. And there’s one more point and I wanted to kind of summarize this because it is such like a point of contention among so many people right now, what we’re saying here. And that is that Israel, again, look at the context of how Father’s using it.
When it’s talking about Israel, sometimes it’s talking about the Israel of God that includes the Christians, includes believers in Yashua, whatever you call yourself. It includes the House of Israel, right? And the House of Judah.
But the Israel that’s going to inherit the land in Millennium when Yashua returns is only the righteous among those. You’re just being born as a descendant of Jacob does not guarantee you a place in the Kingdom of God. You’re part of the holy people like Carlos talks about all the time. By being Israel, you’re part of the holy people, but that’s not enough.
Carlos: Amen. That’s not enough.
Dawson: You need to be holy and righteous.
Carlos: Righteous.
Dawson: The righteous are automatically holy, but the holy are not automatically righteous.
Carlos: Amen. Now you got atsum, the mighty, and then you got qodesh, the holy.
Dawson: The qodesh, the holy. Yeah.
Carlos: Now both of those are overrun by the Antichrist. And when you read in Revelations, the mighty and the holy are worn out. Like people throwing the towel, we’re done. But no, not the righteous. Distinguish between the holy and the righteous because anyone could be holy if you’re a descendant of Jacob.
Dawson: Of Jacob.
Carlos: Amen. But it doesn’t mean you’re righteous.
Dawson: Right.
Carlos: Amen?
Dawson: They’re holy people, it says that in the scriptures, set apart by Father for a specific purpose. That’s what it takes to be holy. You’re set apart for something. But yeah, you’re not necessarily righteous.
Carlos: Not necessarily righteous. The righteous are those who love Father, they’re in Yashua, and they’re led of the Spirit.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen?
Dawson: So one thing, besides us, I don’t ever hear anyone talk about this, but there’s a really cool verse in Ezekiel that we point out as often as we can, which is that one day, those who sojourn with Jacob, which to me, I think to you too, is anyone who is with Yashua, of all nations anywhere.
If you sojourn with Jacob, and there’s another scripture that says if you call yourself by Jacob, if you’ve aligned yourself with Jacob, don’t let anyone tell you that you’re not Father’s.
Carlos: Amen. That’s it.
Dawson: And what Ezekiel says is that the day is coming when those who sojourn with Jacob are going to be given inheritance as native-born sons of Israel. So our belief is that those who are in Yashua but are not from physically, genetically from Jacob, you’re going to join a tribe one day.
Carlos: Amen.
Dawson: So 12 gates, one Israel.
Carlos: Paul says, you’re going to be part of a commonwealth.
Dawson: Yeah.
Carlos: Amen? Those who are not of the tribes and they’re in Yashua, you’ll be given equal treatment, same rights, as if you were an Israelite.
Dawson: A native-born child. Yeah.
Carlos: Amen.
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Dawson: There is one more argument that people make about in favor of 1948 Israel being the fulfillment of all the scriptures about the regathering of Israel. And I wanted to spend a little bit of time on that one as well, because I’m sure that many of you listening have heard that teaching, and I want to let you know why it’s wrong, based on the Hebrew.
So what they say is that Ezekiel teaches that Israel is going to be brought back in unbelief, and that they’re brought back to the land in unbelief, and then Father is going to clean them up. And let me tell you the scripture that they use, and then I’ll tell you why the Hebrew shows that that’s not the case.
In Ezekiel, he says, “I will take you from among the nations, and gather you out of all countries and will bring you into your own land. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean from all your filthiness and from all your idols will I cleanse you.”
And people that use that scripture, they emphasize the word “then”. But the word then in Hebrew is actually not then. It’s the letter “vav”, which if you’ve studied Paleo Hebrew with us, you know that the most basic use, most of the time, if you see a “vav”, it’s a picture of something that joins things together and is translated as “and”.
You can also translate it as then, now, therefore, and whatnot. But at its most basic level, it just means “and”. So you can’t build a whole theology on “vav”. He’s not giving you a chronological order.
And actually, if you keep reading in that same chapter of Ezekiel, you’ll see that it’s not first He brings them back and then He cleanses them. Because Ezekiel says, “In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities, I will also cause you to dwell in the cities.” So that is showing you that the cleansing and the dwelling, the causing to dwell, it’s happening at the same time with the cleansing coming first, so.
Carlos: Amen. Now, the reason we’re going through these points is to explain when Gog Magog occurs, who is he attacking, actually?
Dawson: Right, right.
Carlos: We don’t believe it’s the Israel we see today.
Dawson: Right, because Ezekiel plainly says that he’s attacking these people, Israel, who Father has gathered out of all the nations, if we go back to the very…
Carlos: And they’re in the wilderness.
Dawson: Yeah, in the wastes. It’s talking about the people that Father has gathered. So the reason why we’re going through these points is to show you this people that is being described in Gog Magog hasn’t been gathered yet.
And so if you think that the people has been gathered, then for you, Gog Magog can happen any day. It could happen tomorrow. But for us, we’re waiting for the regathering first as a sign that then Gog Magog could happen.
Carlos: Amen.
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Dawson: Next time around, we’re going to talk about the future regathering of Israel and how the location of the Battle of Gog Magog aligns with what the Bible says about where Israel will be regathered to.
If you like to read, we’ve written out our entire Gog Magog study for you. You can download it as a free PDF or read it for free online at fathersalphabet.com/Gog.
Shalom to all of Father’s children and shalom unto Jerusalem.
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